Challenge Accepted

Today, I was put to the test by this courageous young man:

Jack Zhang

Study physics for school and military tech as a hobby

This is the work of mine that he took issue with:

Space/time is a simulation of space, time and space/time objects/phenomena. Simulations are math-based and objective space/time reality is also math-based rather than 'stuff' or 'substance'.

Looking at the quantum world is looking at reality without perceptual space/time goggles. We are witnessing undistorted reality. The whole entangle- ment debacle is not taking into account the distortion of our Newtonian pov. When we make this mistake, we try to make quantum reality work with this mistake. The reason we observe two particles influencing one another instantaneously regardless of perceptual distance is because there is no actual space or time to obstruct this communication. All locations in objective reality are one location: the singularity.

Both Infinity and Zero are undefined.

A = A
undefined = undefined

Only the finite can exist underneath the constant c

~therefore~

The finite, ie. matter is defined from infinity which is zero.

Space/time was created out of four infinities:

1. Infinite Space (nospace)
2. Infinite Time (notime)
3. Infinite Mass (nomass)
4. Infinite Velocity (novelocity)

The only way to exist as a space/time property is to set limit on the infinities:

1. Limited space makes space
2. Limited time makes time
3. Limited mass makes mass
4. Limited velocity makes velocity

Perception of the information that describes all space-time phenomena appears in wave-form. Our senses translate it into the 3D interactive world we find to be so 'real' and 'solid'. Ojectively, this information takes up no dimensional space as all locations are at one True Location.

There can only be two states:

1. The Infinite State
2. The Finite State

The Infinite State is where these four qualities abide as undefined:

Infinite Space or Zero Space
Infinite Time or Zero Time
Infinite Mass or Zero Mass
Infinite Velocity or Zero Velocity
Infinite Mind or Infinite Energy

The Finite State is the space-time dimension. This dimension is derived when finite values are chosen between zero and infinity.

So you will get:

Defined or finite space
Time, the result of defined space
Mass, the result of definitions or limits placed on energy
Velocity, speed under infinity and above zero

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Jack Zhang

2h ago

“Looking at the quantum world is looking at reality without perceptual space/time goggles. We are witnessing undistorted reality. The whole entangle- ment debacle is not taking into account the distortion of our Newtonian pov. When we make this mistake, we try to make quantum reality work with this mistake. The reason we observe two particles influencing one another instantaneously regardless of perceptual distance is because there is no actual space or time to obstruct this communication. All locations in objective reality are one location: the singularity.”

No, looking at the quantum world mostly has to do with looking at how the smallest quantities of matter interact. In order for two particles to interact there needs to be space and time to allow for such. The attraction between two particles is not apparent for any individual moment nor would it be apparent if they occupied the same space (impossible).

“ All locations in objective reality are one location: the singularity”

We can objectively analyze space in non singularity conditions just fine.

We also do not look at things in “our Newtonian POV.” Newtonian mechanics are accurate enough for everyday life but we know that GR is more accurate and can explain pheonomena that newtonian physics does not, such as the perihelion advance of Mercury, time dilation, and the bending of light around massive objects. These are things that occur in our world (GPS would be inaccurate if it failed to account for time dilation) and not just on the drawing boards.

“undefined = undefined”

Undefined is not a numerical value and cannot be equated with anything. Undefined does not equal undefined anymore than two nonexistant limits are equivalent.

“Only the finite can exist underneath the constant c”

There is a finite amount of matter in a photon of light which travels at a speed of c, not below it. Wrong again.

“The finite, ie. matter is defined from infinity which is zero.”

zero is not infinity, try again

“The Infinite State is where these four qualities abide as undefined”

no such thing as an infinte state

“The Finite State is the space-time dimension. This dimension is derived when finite values are chosen between zero and infinity.”

Space time is not a dimension. Time is one dimension and space has 3.

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Stephane Guenette

1h ago

“No, looking at the quantum world mostly has to do with looking at how the smallest quantities of matter interact”
Point particles don’t have spacial extent. They’re not matter, they’re information with values for mass, spin and charge that our brain knows how to convert into a dimensional product.

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Stephane Guenette

1h ago

“We can objectively analyze space in non singularity conditions just fine”
You can investigate your perceptual reality but that doesn’t make spacial distance and linear time absolutes. If they were, Special Relativity would be a false theory.

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Jack Zhang

1h ago

Nothing about different frames of reference are inherently false or true. At high speeds, distances are not perceived to be contracting, they are contracted. Time for a satellite in orbit is not perceived to run slower, it is slower. Everything within our frame of reference can be measured and anything in another fre of reference can be predicted and verified with later observation.

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Stephane Guenette

1h ago

“At high speeds, distances are not perceived to be contracting”
You’re saying Einstein is wrong? 
‘The amount of contraction of the object is dependent upon the object's speed relative to the observer”
Length Contraction

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Jack Zhang

1h ago

I literally said “at high speeds distances are not perveived to be contracting, they are contracting.” Nothing I said contradicts Einstein. The distances are not appearing to be contracted because of our imagination, they really are shortened. Something measured to be 10m long at 0.87m is 10m long. It would be 20m long when measured by someone at rest with that object. Both measurements are correct as no frame of reference is incorrect. Moving at 0.87c, that object really is 10m long.

Physics has nothing to do with perception. A machine can make the same measurements all the same without consequence.

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Stephane Guenette

1h ago

“Time for a satellite in orbit is not perceived to run slower, it is slower”
All you’re doing is refuting relativity, that object speed is an absolute.

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Jack Zhang

52m ago

wrong again. Both GR and SR predict time dilation. The speed is not absolute. A rocket moving at 0.99c says a planet moves past him at 0.99c. Someone on the planet says the rocket is the one moving at 0.99c. Someone falling into a blackhole says they cross the event horizon at 0.5c. Someone outside the event horizon and at rest with the blackhole says the person’s velocity is approaching asymptotically towards 0.

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Stephane Guenette

44m ago

You’re flip-flopping. You’re contradicting yourself. You claimed that a satellite is going slow in its orbit. Not relative to an object moving 1/10th the speed of the satellite, it isn’t.

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Jack Zhang

38m ago

Can you read?

I never claimed satellites are moving slow. I said time for a satellite progresses slower than it does on earth as measured by someone on earth. Someone on the satellite would say the same for time on earth as measured by them.

Perhaps you should try to actually learn relative physics rather than make up your own ideas?

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Stephane Guenette

1h ago

“ we know that GR is more accurate and can explain pheonomena that newtonian physics does not, such as … the bending of light around massive objects”

No one has observed light bending around massive objects. Did you think light has a value for charge? Magnetism is a particle charge phenomenon. Now explain how an electroMAGNETIC wave is light.

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Jack Zhang

43m ago

“устраняя преграды на пути распространения знаний” one of if not the first observation of light bending around massive objects.

The electrical and magnetic fields themselves have no charge, and photons are just that, oscillating fields, not charged or neutral particles

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Stephane Guenette

1h ago

“Undefined is not a numerical value and cannot be equated with anything”
Only finites can be numerical values. Did you think zero was a finite? If it isn’t, it is necessarily infinite. That was the meaning of the equivalence statement: zero = infinity (both undefined; definitions are made with finite values)

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Jack Zhang

1h ago

Zero is finite. It’s a numerical value and not equivalent to infinity. A number divided by 0 is infinity. You can add any number to 0 and get a real numerical value as an answer. Any number + infinity is just infinity. You asked me how do I know you are incompetent when it comes to math. This is fairly damning evidence I was right. Still haven’t heard back on how I somehow conceded the argument by creating a graph for an observer 5ft above the surface which is exactly what you asked for.

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Stephane Guenette

1h ago

It’s finite? Give me the definitions of zero. All finites are defined.

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Stephane Guenette

1h ago

“zero is not infinity, try again”
If it’s a finite, it’s defined. What are the definitions of zero?

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Jack Zhang

1h ago

Definitions for a number? The definition is is the same as any other number. 0 is a numerical value, just as 1 is defined as 1, 2 is defined as 2, and so on. -1 = -1. 0 = 0.

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Stephane Guenette

1h ago

Numbers are symbols of what? Are you confusing the map for the territory? That’s a newbie error.

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Jack Zhang

1h ago

Confusing zero for infinity would be a newbie error. Numbers represent quantifiable values. If two are equivalent then you would be able to sub one in for another and get the same answer.

20=1$2^0=1$

2∞=∞$2^{\mathrm{\infty }}=\mathrm{\infty }$

f(x)=1x$f(x)=\frac{1}{x}$

f(0)DNE$f(0)DNE$

f(∞)=0$f(\mathrm{\infty })=0$

(0)2+3(0)−2=−2$(0{)}^2+3(0)-2=-2$

(∞)2+3(∞)−2=∞$(\mathrm{\infty }{)}^2+3(\mathrm{\infty })-2=\mathrm{\infty }$

1+0=1$1+0=1$

1+∞=∞$1+\mathrm{\infty }=\mathrm{\infty }$

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Stephane Guenette

1h ago

What does zero represent in our spacetime environment?

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Jack Zhang

53m ago

0 for what? a number on its own cannot model reality. what does 0.45689 represent? That’s the whole purpose of units.

a length of 0m represents no change in displacement between two points. A charge of 0 means there is no electrical charge.

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Stephane Guenette

48m ago

If I had 0.45689 kilograms of flour, it would represent a quantity of flour just short of half a kilo.

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Jack Zhang

34m ago

why is it you cannot actually respond to the points and try to muddy the waters by throwing in red hearrings?

Prove mathematically that infinity is 0. Prove that infinity has no definition. I’ll give you a hint. Infinity does have a definition and 0 is not infinity

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Jack Zhang

42m ago

you added on a unit. Try answering again without one. Like I said, asking me ‘what does x represent” as a unitless number is meaningless

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Stephane Guenette

1h ago

“no such thing as an infinte space”
When do you know you’ve come to the end of outer space?

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Jack Zhang

1h ago

Typo, I meant state

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Stephane Guenette

1h ago

Okay. Where do point particles exist? They have no spacial extent so can’t be in a spacetime state where objects can be found with location coordinates.

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Jack Zhang

41m ago

point particles are an approximation. All particles occupy volume. Math may be made easier by treating things as points and it may be relatively accurate but particles are and never will be points.

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Stephane Guenette

1h ago

“Space time is not a dimension. Time is one dimension and space has 3”
Technically correct. I should have used ‘state’ rather than ‘dimension’.

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Stephane Guenette

7h ago

I guess that’s where this ends. You can’t debate someone making claims one minute and denying those claims were made the next.
Jack: “time for a satellite in orbit is not perceived to run slower, it is slower”
Jack: “I never claimed satellites are moving slow”

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Jack Zhang

4h ago

For the love of god. Time is not perceived to be slower, time is slower. Not the satellite. You purposely trying to twist my words when the meaning is obviously is just sad.

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Stephane Guenette

3h ago

slower than what?

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Stephane Guenette

7h ago

An observation is when you can see it happening. Your link doesn’t have any photos to look at.

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Jack Zhang

4h ago

Do you think scientific journals are picture books? Keep in mind this was published in the early 20th centuries. It’s not like they could photocopy the images taken. However, they did provide diagrams of what they witnessed. Not only that, this was simply the first time it was observed. It has be...

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Stephane Guenette

3h ago

When did I ask for a science journal? I asked for proof that light was observed (seen with the eye). If an eye can see it, a picture can be taken of it.

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Stephane Guenette

6h ago

Okay. You don’t think I can do it? Is a carrot a unit? You can have 0.45 carrots can you not?

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Jack Zhang

4h ago

Carrots are units. what the number is quantifying is a unit. 5 kilograms, 5 liters, 5 seconds, 5 radians, 5 people, 5 years, 5 planets, etc.

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Stephane Guenette

3h ago

You’re saying vegetables are measurments. LOL!

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Stephane Guenette

6h ago

How much volume does an electron occupy?

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Jack Zhang

3h ago

Electrons have no discrete volume. It doesn’t help that the quantum description says electrons are basically waves or particles depending on the circumstance.

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Stephane Guenette

3h ago

Good. Now stop trying to teach.
Jack: “All particles occupy volume”

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Jack Zhang

3h ago

That volume does not have an exact value we can measure with current technology but it is there. Quantum equations use approximations, just as how newton’s universal law of gravitation uses point masses; this equation so accurate as can be demonstrated when calculating the weight of an individual...

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Stephane Guenette

3h ago

According to you, a measurement can be quantified into measurement units.

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Stephane Guenette

2h ago

Give me an example of an inexact value.

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