A conversation with my brother
C: "If there's no gravity, then there's also no mass"
S: "Where do you think the particles would go if there was no gravity? It would better be put this way "If there's no force, then there's weightlessness (the mass particles remain). Mass has a limited intrinsic potential to manifest a force when it's accelerated to a stop (non-motion). If your body has 185kg of mass, the limit of force for that body is 1814 N.
Richard Feynman [American Physicist]: "I received a telephone call one day at the graduate college at Princeton from Professor Wheeler, in which he said, "Feynman, I know why all electrons have the same charge and the same mass" "Why?" "Because, they are all the same electron!"
C: "What I'm talking about is the 'outside' force of gravity that gives some 'mass' an 'acceleration'."
S: "That's an assumption. The natural state of an object is a constant free fall. If the object is accelerating, then it was being forced from continuing its fall. If the resistance is removed, the object will fall again. Did you think mass objects, without a gravity pull, would just float still in a vacuum? Once the object reaches its natural free fall state, there is no more acceleration happening, and no more force acting upon it.
0 force = object's mass [kg.] x 0 acceleration
The object's force limit (full weight [N]) = object's mass x full acceleration (object brought to the stationary state)."
C: "The force that keeps electrons rotating around protons and neutrons, I believe (but am foggy on my electromagnetism classes right now) is not 'gravity', but a different force."
S: "That's been debunked. Electrons have been discovered to have wave nature. Waves don't have the property to allow them to behave that way.
"Electrons have wave-like properties, as de Broglie later proposed."
C: "but ALSO experience a force opposite to gravity which is friction"
S: "How does an object experience friction falling through outer space?"
C: "At one point these two forces are equal and opposite"
S: "Don't get fooled. If someone says an object is going 100 km/hr in two opposite directions because it's stationary, that doesn't mean that's what's happening."
C: "What I'm saying, is that the thing you are saying has mass... is 'free falling' according to you. What I'm saying is, "where is it falling toward?"
S: "I can ask you the exact same question about General Relativity: what is the planet sinking toward when it's making a gravity well in spacetime fabric?"
C: "Isn't this formula proving the opposite? That a force is being applied to create acceleration, proportional to the mass of the object - not to remove it?"
S: "When you weigh yourself, is weight a force on a weigh scale?
If so, how much force is involved when a body is experiencing weightlessness?"
C: "When we assume that an object is 'free falling' -- can we define what 'falling' means? Is this directional?"
S: "Falling is what happens when an object isn't being resisted (accelerated). The direction it falls is determined by the vector given to it (intrinsically programmed the same way the value for an electron's mass is intrinsically programmed)."
C: "What is the definition of, in your understanding, General Relativity?"
S: "The mass of an object bends spacetime which then impels other objects to move (behave) in a certain way."
C: "Then, what are you trying to disprove with your theory/observation?"
S: "Mass objects don't need gravity to explain why they move the way they do in space."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFO4h_LephQ
Saturday, 29 January 2022
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