D. Boulter: "The way you are using the word 'light' to describe god is the way many here would use the word 'awareness' -- as the ground of being."
That's dumb. Awareness is what happens when Subject is aware of object.
D. Boulter: "And light is what you get when you flick a switch on the wall. More specifically, when an electron moves from a high to a lower energy level the excess energy is emitted.."
Do you know what happens when you flick on that light switch?Excess energy? That idea wasn't derived from the scientific method. That's a theory with no empirical support. Why can you see light sitting languidly on the walls of your room if its moving at 299,000 m/s? Did you think it started at rest inside the light bulb?
D. Boulter: "No, it resides as potential energy in the electron in its excited state."
Potential? Really? That means not-actually there, right?
D. Boulter: "No, it means that the elections are in high energy orbit within their various shells in the atom. So they are moving."
High energy? Only objects have locations in spacetime. To be high, it has to be higher than a lower location.If you say the temperature is high, you're really talking about a heat sensation that is more intense and sensations are brain manufactured, not actual phenomena.Look at David. Buys all the bullshit with no application of thought whatsoever.
D. Boulter: "You don't get out much, do you?"
Tell us what sensation is, teacher.
D. Boulter: "No one mentioned sensation, and you brought up heat. Try looking up the straw man fallacy."
Yeah, I want to learn since you're the teacher and I'm the student, obviously, given you have the right to laugh at me, right? Go ahead and teach. What is sensation?
D. Boulter: "Sensation is color, sound, taste, touch and smell. Each is nothing other than pure awareness."
Pure awareness? That's incoherent. Awareness is Subject being aware of object.
J. John: "Francois Campbell does the 'object' appear TO awareness or WITHIN it?"
Whatever the brain converts to the particle state is what the Subject becomes aware of if it's information received by sensory inputs. Those objects are fixed with non-transgressible ratios unlike dream objects/thought objects which have dimension values in constant flux.
J. John: "Stop copy and pasting information you don't understand."
I wonder, J. John, how you figure electrons can move when they have no spacial extent (no presence in physical spacetime). That's what your teacher, D. Boulter, gave us as a lesson today.
Oops! o.O
"Stop copy and pasting information you don't understand."
Thanks for the compliment. I wrote that on the fly and you see genius in it. I feel so good now :)
*plug it into Google search and if you have no hits, you have my claim verified*
J. John: "This is all on the BELIEF that there are particles to begin with."
You were backing David's beliefs and you think that's enlightenment??
J.John: "And you've still not answered my awareness question!!! You believe in an illusion and from that illusion your believe the stories from it."
That's the difference between me and you. I don't accept belief as valid. See ya later, believer!
J. John: "I only go off experience. You believe in a material world that you've never experienced."
What part of "I don't accept belief as valid" are you not understanding?"edit your comments away I've got you." Also, look at the EDIT that you thought worthy of your complaint. I want to know why you thought it was worth complaining about. *never got a reply..strange*
J. John: "These comments of mine that you are seeing, are they made of matter or are they made of mind? Do particles exist in mind?"
All perception is made of information (particles for the visual perceptions; sound sensation for the hearing perception, taste sensation for the taste perception, feeling sensation for the touch perception, smell for the smelling perception) which are brain manufactured/converted when it reads the wave state information inputted by our five senses. Mind makes everything because Mind is the Maker, whether that be fixed spacetime reality or our thought/dream objects.
D. Boulter: "thing about science is that it models observation. It's not reality."
Weird. Science discovered the behavior of objects. If that behavior isn't real, why is it consistent?
Duality requires the particle state. You just said you don't have that in your world.
J.aime John: "You won't understand because you're not open to understand."
D. Boulter: "Duality is simply conventional experience. The world of apparent separation."
Duality doesn't require particles? What does it require?
D. Boulter: "It doesn't require anything, it's simply how things appear. There is no subject/object split experienced. There is simply experience."
The teaching for today, brought to you by your teachers, D. Boulter and J. John, is that Duality doesn't require anything. Why is it taught if it's absolutely nothing real? Enlightenment allows you to teach the TRUE NATURE OF REALITY, not bogus concepts that don't require anything to exist. You think you can experience a slap in the face without a hand slapping you in the face?
*This conversation is from 'Enlightenment NOW’ group, ironically enough*
That's not my experience. I've never had anyone tell me, "Hey, I got slapped in the face without being slapped!" o.O
D. Boulter: "None of these would be experienced outside of awareness."
Right. Experience is being aware of contact with object nature. I never said any different. Who were you arguing with?
D. Boulter: "It just is. No reason for it."
The hand slapping my face isn't the reason? So every time someone gets charged with a crime, it's an injustice.They weren't the reason for the victim's injuries, right? Hey group, you learning a lot from these teachers of mine? My wife didn't get pregnant from our sexual activities. There was no reason at all why she got pregnant. I finally feel enlightened! Thanks guys <3
D. Boulter: "Conventionally, yes there was. Ultimately, no."
Fuck off with your Illuminati/Freudian Big Brother Double-Speak. I ain't a fucking dupe. Piss off.
D. Boulter: "Relax, S., having fun yet?"
I'll tell you what.. you tell me the difference between absolute reality and conventional reality and tell me how conventional reality is conditioned.
J. John: "We have to talk in duality to people who don't understand their true nature."
Since you understand, what is it really if not duality? No duality means no conventional/absolute duality exists, right? So, what have you been babbling about?
J. John: "These comments of mine that you are seeing, are they made of matter or are they made of mind?"
All perception is made of information (particles for the visual perceptions; sound sensation for the hearing perception, taste sensation for the taste perception, feeling sensation for the touch perception, smell for the smelling perception) which are brain manufactured/converted when it reads the wave state information inputted by our five senses. Mind makes everything because Mind is the Maker, whether that be fixed spacetime reality or our thought/dream objects.
D. Boulter: "thing about science is that it models observation. It's not reality."
Weird. Science discovered the behavior of objects. If that behavior isn't real, why is it consistent?
D. Boulter: "There is no subject/object split experienced. There is simply experience."
TRANSLATION:
When you experience getting slapped in the face. There was no you to be slapped and there was no hand to slap the you that wasn't there. Why? Because experiences just happens with no reason at all.
My version: you experienced a slap because there IS a you to be slapped and there WAS a cause that conditioned that slap. The event you were in was one that had a hand making contact with a face (a surface that your brain gets information from and converts it to the appropriate sensation the information demands), at an intensity that matches determined values for the force applied in that event.
D. Boulter: "Ultimately there are no answers."
Group, your friend is saying Siddhartha Gautama was a fraud. He pretended to be Enlightened and made up answers that were no more true than what a Jehovah Witness or Mormon believes.
D. Boulter: "The whole thing about conventional and ultimate truth is exactly what Buddhism is all about. Have you ever read any Nagarjuna or the Heart Sutra?"
Pretty funny if enlightenment is impossible: no such thing as answers. Why would I read something devoid of answers, D?
D. Boulter: "As I said earlier, denying the conventional is where nihilism can be found."
Nihilism is accepting the "What Isn't" and ignoring the "What Is". The very opposite of enlightenment. Embracing Error and naming it True.
J. John: "You said earlier that everything is made from mind. So what is it that knows this mind?"
The Mind is the Knower, dipshit. Go play-pretend that reality isn't real so you can get through hot session of sodomy and say: “man asshole is the exact same thing as pussy!"
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