Steven Wright: What part of the brain isn't chemical?
Thomas Surdi: no part of a brain is not chemical.
Steven Wright: So then you're saying chemicals can form ideas. And you're okay with that?
Thomas Surdi: this is a really strange line of questioning. Chemicals in their raw state don’t form ideas. Brains form ideas, and brains are complex organs which have evolved due to millions of years of chemical processes. That’s like seeing a car drive down the road and saying ‘oh I guess metal can drive.
Steven Wright: Really? What were brains before they could interpret the information they received from the sensory inputs (sense organs)?
Thomas Surdi: the more generations you go back the more rudimentary and less evolved the organs would have been. What is your point? Do you even have one?
Steven Wright: That doesn't answer the question
Thomas Surdi: yes it does. It’s a weird question anyway. I have no idea what your point is supposed to be.
Steven Wright: You can't have that system put in place in stages. It comes complete or it's a lump of tissue.
Thomas Surdi: yes you can, and It obviously happened. We know this because there is a mountain of evidence that proves it. Genetic mutations are organically “selected” over billions of years according to wether they create a survival benefit resulting in incremental changes that add up to complex organs over billions of years. If you wiped out all life on earth and the conditions were the same it would happen all over again.
Steven Wright: So you don't need the sense organ in functioning order before it gets a nervous system and a place for the information to be processed (brain)? Explain it then.
Thomas Surdi: a very rudimentary organ only needs a rudimentary brain and/or nervous system. These organs all evolved together. The first eye might have been a patch of light sensitive skin that allowed an animal to better sense its environment which increased its chances of both survival and to mate and pass on that gene to the next generation. This wouldn’t have required a very complex brain or nervous system. The animals with the patch would be selected for survival and mating because they’re better adapted to their environment. The patch would eventually become more pronounced because the animals with the most effective light sensitive eye patches would be the ones surviving and mating, and over billions of years it would become a more complex eye like what we see today.
Steven Wright: There had to be a fully working brain/nervous system/sensory input to evolve in the first place, rudimentary or not. Are you saying that their eyes are not having information sent to their brains? How does the information get processed? Magic?
Thomas Surdi: False. There just had to be energy, carbon and water. Life evolves under the right conditions every time.
Steven Wright: That's interesting but isn't part of the conversation.
Thomas Surdi: once again, rudimentary (extremely basic) organs don’t require complex brains or nervous systems. A very basic non-nervous effector could suffice. You know there are animals without brains right? Jellyfish, Coral, sea sponges… If you’re interested you should just Google it and learn about it instead of choosing to continue sounding ignorant.
Steven Wright: Are you saying that you can see without a brain processing image information?
Thomas Surdi: No. why would I be saying that? Are you even reading my comments? Obviously complex vision requires a complex brain. Not every animal needs complex vision, and there are animals who have evolved to survive for millennia without brains. Read the link I just posted. Learn something today.
Steven Wright: That's a complex system you just admitted is necessary.
Thomas Surdi: A complex eye requires a complex brain, but not every organ is complex and not every organ requires a brain. So what is your point? I still have no idea what you’re getting at.
Steven Wright: non sequitur
Thomas Surdi: eyes and brains evolved together. When eyes were simple, so were brains. Both increased in complexity over time via incremental changes. Understand?
Steven Wright: Me: "Are you saying that you can see without a brain processing image information?"
You: "No. why would I be saying that?"
Me: "That's a complex system you just admitted is necessary."
1. input for information
2. means to get to the information processor
3. information processor
Thomas Surdi: I never contradicted myself. Still no idea what your point
Steven Wright: I'm sure the audience will get it. Have a great day!
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